{"id":5336,"date":"2013-11-18T03:19:22","date_gmt":"2013-11-18T03:19:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=5336"},"modified":"2013-11-18T03:19:22","modified_gmt":"2013-11-18T03:19:22","slug":"thats-why-its-called-a-monster-rocket-maven-and-humans-mars-missions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=5336","title":{"rendered":"That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called a monster rocket + MAVEN and humans Mars missions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ray at the\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restorethevision.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_d\">Vision Restoration<\/a>\u00a0blog discusses the <a href=\"http:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=5276\">SLS\/Orion choir service<\/a>\u00a0last week:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restorethevision.blogspot.com\/2013\/11\/sls-for-unaffordable-giant-robotic.html\" target=\"_d\">SLS for Unaffordable Giant Robotic Missions: The More Things Don&#8217;t Change, the More They Stay the Same &#8211; Vision Restoration<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>One of the messages that the panelists sought to drive home was that SLS will be a wonderful launcher for ambitious robotic space missions such as NASA science missions and NRO spy satellites.\u00a0 How generous for the SLS advocates to suggest that the NASA government rocket should compete with the U.S. launch industry.\u00a0 Back in 2009 I wrote a post here called\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/restorethevision.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/constellation-launching-science-or.html\">Constellation: Launching Science or Leeching Science<\/a>\u00a0based on the National Research Council&#8217;s\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.nap.edu\/catalog.php?record_id=12554\">Launching Science: Science Opportunities Provided by NASA&#8217;s Constellation System<\/a>\u00a0document evaluating the opportunities and dangers presented to NASA science by Constellation, mainly by the Ares V rocket.\u00a0 I won&#8217;t go into all of the details again, since the linked blog post and the report itself cover the ugly details, none of which have changed for the better.\u00a0 The JWST is still absorbing a huge chunk of the NASA robotic science budget, that budget is still under great stress from general government-wide trends and the cost of the HLV and Orion, and still NASA and other space agencies seem to have crushing problems when developing large, ambitious space missions.<\/p>\n<p>The danger is real: if it ever becomes operational and then allowed to compete with the U.S. launch industry with the backing of parochial Congressional interests, the SLS could cause serious harm to NASA science or even U.S. defense and intelligence capabilities by pushing them towards huge, unaffordable spacecraft beyond even JWST that they have no infrastructure to develop.\u00a0 No wonder it&#8217;s called a monster rocket.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>===<\/p>\n<p>He also points to this video of a NASA panel discussion titled, &#8220;<em>The Path Toward Humans to Mars<\/em>&#8220;. \u00a0They talk about how MAVEN will help to prepare for human spaceflight missions and include topics such as the plan for<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>the 2020 rover [to] \u00a0have an ISRU demo. For space technology, at about 21 minutes into the video they mentioned discussions about use of Dragon and\/or Cygnus for work related to entry descent and landing technology and cryogenic propellant storage technology.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"1600\" height=\"900\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/0F8ndihXCO4?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ray at the\u00a0Vision Restoration\u00a0blog discusses the SLS\/Orion choir service\u00a0last week:\u00a0SLS for Unaffordable Giant Robotic Missions: The More Things Don&#8217;t Change, the More They Stay the Same &#8211; Vision Restoration One of the messages that the panelists sought to drive home was that SLS will be a wonderful launcher for ambitious robotic space missions such as &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=5336\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called a monster rocket + MAVEN and humans Mars missions<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[7,13],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-5336","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-space-policy","category-space-science"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p34aWK-1o4","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6053,"url":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=6053","url_meta":{"origin":5336,"position":0},"title":"Space policy roundup &#8211; Jan.15.14","author":"TopSpacer","date":"January 15, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Today's selection of space policy\/politics related links Bolden, Stakeholders Pleased with How NASA Fares in 2014 Omnibus Spending Bill - \u00a0SpaceNews.com Charlie Bolden Has His Head In The Sand Again - NASA Watch The big problem with the \u201cbig win\u201d for NASA\u2019s exploration program budget - SciGuy Spending bill holds\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Space Policy&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Space Policy","link":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?cat=7"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":2472,"url":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=2472","url_meta":{"origin":5336,"position":1},"title":"Space Policy: BEO hearing, Low SLS flight rate &#038; safety, Planetary science cuts update","author":"TopSpacer","date":"May 24, 2013","format":false,"excerpt":"More reviews of Tuesday's House hearing on NASA's plans for beyond earth orbit exploration: U.S. House Skeptical Of NASA Asteroid-Capture Plan - Aviation Week Little Love for Asteroid Retrieval Mission; Squyres Deeply Worried about SLS Launch Rate - SpacePolicyOnline.com Steve Squires points out an obvious problem with SLS safety that\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;Space Policy&quot;","block_context":{"text":"Space Policy","link":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?cat=7"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/img.youtube.com\/vi\/rbg4sfULGFA\/0.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":6106,"url":"https:\/\/hobbyspace.com\/Blog\/?p=6106","url_meta":{"origin":5336,"position":2},"title":"Space policy roundup &#8211; Jan.18.14","author":"TopSpacer","date":"January 18, 2014","format":false,"excerpt":"Science fiction writer and webcaster\u00a0Doug Turnbull\u00a0writes about the importance of a cost-effective, sustainable human spaceflight program to maintain support for unmanned space exploration:\u00a0Will Robots or Astronauts be the Future of Interplanetary Research? 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